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“GlassWave’s Report” (Thread From Cafe Chesscourt, Page 2 of 2)

torgo	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 5:22 PM
Administrator Joined: Dec 11, 1999 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 515	This thread has startled me as much as anyone. I've been in communication with GW about the report, but I didn't expect it to be dumped like this all of a sudden, and I wasn't familiar with a lot of the info in it. I know this is a very weird time for everyone on the Cafe, and if anyone wants to talk, my PM box is always open. I'm not a shrink, but I've been here since the beginning and I feel a responsibility to help you guys in any way I can. :) _________________ You are the driver. What would you do if this happened to you?

JimWind	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 5:36 PM
Lorrum Joined: Jan 24, 2003 Location: Glasgow Posts: 405	Wow. Wowwowow. I just finished reading the whole thing through the latest bit GW's posted. I had heard things about Spelunk 04 having something to do with restaurant workers dying, but I just figured that was a baseless rumor because it seemed so hard to understand how that could have happened. But what really shocks me here isn't even that, it's the fact that GlassWave dosed his/our friends with hard drugs. (Adderall is just prescription amphetamine, AKA speed! WTF!!!) "GlassHole" indeed! TBH it really makes me uncomfortable with GW and getting this whole story from him. Of course when I first read this maybe not even the other forum members, not even the best among them, not even Jim, say I was flattered, especially cause GW's always seemed like one of the sharpest and nicest posters around these parts (until now!!). But now it kinda makes me sick to my stomach. I don't want this guy to think I'm one of the "best" Cafe people. And I'm holding back judgment on all this Spelunk nonsense until I hear about it from someone WHO ISN'T GLASSWAVE. (Plus, this is stupid, but there's something that makes it even worse about the fact that the diner has my name :P) No matter how you slice it, it's a sad day for the Cafe. D: _________________ Fav book: Creatures of the Plains Fav char: Charles Fav fic: Aunt Wrath Remembers The Old Times

Sally's Lil Sis	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 5:51 PM
Lorrum Joined: Mar 7, 2003 Location: London Posts: 576	JimWind wrote: TBH it really makes me uncomfortable with GW and getting this whole story from him. Yeah me too JimWind. I'm literally crying rn. First Spelunk went wrong, then we have to wait to hear about what happened, then we finally get the report but it's from this jerk! I'm really sad bc this forum has meant a lot to me over the last year (its been a really tough year for me) and now I'm worried that everyone here might be some sort of drug-pushing creep :( :( :( _________________ "Checkmate!"

jenni_fur	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 6:03 PM
Moderator Joined: May 17, 2000 Location: the warrens Posts: 2677	JimWind wrote: And I'm holding back judgment on all this Spelunk nonsense until I hear about it from someone WHO ISN'T GLASSWAVE. well, i'm someone who was there and isn't paul, and i can pretty much countersign most of what he wrote. of course it's from his own perspective. there's no getting around perspectives. but it's more or less what happened. there's nothing in there that i would say was misrepresented, at least not to the point that i'd want to argue about it in the super-suspicious atmosphere of this thread. to be clear: i don't feel happy about paul dosing me either. i don't like drugs, and i'm still processing the fact that i took a lot of drugs without being asked about it first. it was fucked up. but the WHOLE THING was fucked up. it's not like paul did that coldly, for the fun of it. he did it because he was already on drugs HIMSELF and also because TNC was doing something to his mind. i'm not sure i can really express to you guys just how much TNC affected our minds at spelunk. i'm not even sure how much the drugs really mattered. there's something about sitting there in a group, reading TNC, for a really long time, without skipping anything. i don't know how to describe it. paul's tried to describe it in a lot of ways (as did salby and WC, i think) and i think his attempts are as good as any. if you weren't there, you don't know. please understand and respect that. and, at the end of it all, paul is my friend. this may come as a shock but we've talked about all this in private, like friends do! i can't say i'm happy with what he did but that's between us. please understand and respect that. _________________ Life Among The Lorrums, a mildly AU story about our favorite not-rabbits (200k and counting!) ff.net profile "I've never had any ambitions except to be kind -- but it seems life has contrived others for me." ~Tom (Nautical Dusk) "Life without mechanical assistance? Just the idea chills me to the marrow!" ~Cleft-Ear (The Mainspring) My PM box is open to any questions about Spelunk 04! I will try my best to make my PM conversations a no judgment zone. PLEASE DO NOT HARASS GLASSWAVE OR ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS AT SPELUNK.

Lugnut	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 6:24 PM
Pawn Joined: Jun 5, 2003 Location: Auto-AI-stalkers hereby threaten'd w/ 'er Gödel sent's! Posts: 235	Mmmm yes'm here we'r com in' up to the pt. of this whole bus'ness (keep busy, quoth our f'rnd L. Salby, w/ arr'rangin' stuf, 'cause the bosses don' cur where it's arr'rang'd so-long-as that 'rangement's efficient), 'n' darn ev'n an ol' fellow such as yours truly can feel (one o' the last feeelins 'cause soon we'll be beyond that faff, BIGGER THAN DESIRE, kidz!!~!~!) a bita warmth in my cock'ls. (pretty sure its the cock'ls and not the cock simpliciter, but GlassGrave be warn'd, ev'n bein' my age is no proof 'gainst confusing tha 2). NEways sure is tru that I'v' bin "in communication" w Citizen and Choicecurt Choos'r TORGO re the phone&such. my mundGod i'v never been communicat'd this hard since the days b'for ol' Lugnut got maimed by the libsoc U. S. o' A. and went incommunicado. Mmmm sure is good when sum1 can communicate ur cock'ls hard. the cock('ls) of yours truly 'specially relished that bit where GLASSWAVE gets down'n'dirty w/ the "basic revolutionary urge", course libsoc ass'Thete GLASSWAVE was makin' metaphor (can I crit w/ the best'o'em yet??? pretty sure there'r other metaPhorzz lurkin about thees hur marshes if ya look 4em, I could go on allday but they gave yours truly tenure 1ce and lemme telya kids it was less fun than advertis'd!). but w/luck (and ya mod'rns ignore luck'n'chance atya peril!!) GLASSWAVE and mayb'even ERRANT KNIGHTSMOVE (watch me hope! i'vgot an afflixion o'th'cock'ls!) 'll see that u gotta break a few tabl'ts (won th' Battle 'o' Britain, know ur hist, kidz!) to make an omel't, 'specially that sorta scrumptious un where ev'n bruis'd uncitizens like yours truly & L. Salby & W. Chen can get in on summa'that material u kidz 'r' so hot on rearrangin from 1 dwellin' 2 tha next (who? whom?). Aw, just forgiv' a bruis'd old'un a bit'a hope down in th' cock'ls. We'v all got 'r weaknesses (as JENNI_FUR'd kno). An' just a partin' shot, 4 tha theorists amung u!!! U kidz 'r' aware that the coroners (trustw'rthy libsoc citizens, doin' their jobs 'cause otherwise no material 4em!) reported no intoxicating substances in the blood(st)ream's of Sp04!!'s casualites, no??

JimWind	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 6:48 PM
Lorrum Joined: Jan 24, 2003 Location: Glasgow Posts: 405	jenni_fur wrote: well, i'm someone who was there and isn't paul, and i can pretty much countersign most of what he wrote. of course it's from his own perspective. there's no getting around perspectives. but it's more or less what happened. there's nothing in there that i would say was misrepresented, at least not to the point that i'd want to argue about it in the super-suspicious atmosphere of this thread. to be clear: i don't feel happy about paul dosing me either. i don't like drugs, and i'm still processing the fact that i took a lot of drugs without being asked about it first. it was fucked up. but the WHOLE THING was fucked up. it's not like paul did that coldly, for the fun of it. he did it because he was already on drugs HIMSELF and also because TNC was doing something to his mind. i'm not sure i can really express to you guys just how much TNC affected our minds at spelunk. i'm not even sure how much the drugs really mattered. there's something about sitting there in a group, reading TNC, for a really long time, without skipping anything. i don't know how to describe it. paul's tried to describe it in a lot of ways (as did salby and WC, i think) and i think his attempts are as good as any. if you weren't there, you don't know. please understand and respect that. and, at the end of it all, paul is my friend. this may come as a shock but we've talked about all this in private, like friends do! i can't say i'm happy with what he did but that's between us. please understand and respect that. Okay, sorry for jumping the gun on this one Jenny. I respect that this is personal territory. I'm still really shaken by GW's posts, though. I think I'll take this conversation to PM. I hope everyone on the Cafe is doing OK tonight. _________________ Fav book: Creatures of the Plains Fav char: Charles Fav fic: Aunt Wrath Remembers The Old Times

GlassWave	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 7:17 PM
Cherub Joined: Mar 25, 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 1246	I think the last section I posted, with all the dialogue, will be the end, at least for now. There's more to the story, but I think the other Spelunkers can relate it better than I could. I understand the concerns that have been expressed in this thread. As I said, I do not expect my report to function well as a report, on the sublunary level. It is an account of my gradual, reluctant, but ultimately open-armed movement toward the light of Mundum. What I've posted is not the report I wanted to write at the outset, not the thing that would rationalize Spelunk 04!, make it palatable, put on a good public face. Early on in the report, when I wasn't quite sure yet what I was doing, I wrote: "We are all Salbians now, all of us who went through Spelunk 04!, and I do not think we can go back." I am now a Salbian in a way deeper than I could have imagined when I wrote those words. I continue to write, and to post here, in the hope that there are others. Some of you here, even on the Cafe, are not Salbians; I understand, and bear you no ill will, although I hope that the awakening will reach you soon. I hope that soon it will reach everyone. Lugnut, I am still looking forward to talking to you. For now I am reading your most recent post with great care. _________________ Obnoxious pedant, incorrigible Sally/Charles advocate, the only person in existence who's favorite CC book is Sea of Glass exquisite stasis -- about Sally trapped in the plains forever, and what she did there (AU) MY REPORT ON SPELUNK 04! "Perhaps there are others? More than there appear to be? That is where Chscrt. comes into the picture." -Leonard Salby

Avery Lodestone	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 7:25 PM
Cherub Joined: June 15, 2002 Location: Zanarkand Posts: 1012	Damn... I'm not even sure what to say about any of this. That is all. _________________ Maintainer of the Anti-Pokémon Haiku Archive (contributions welcome)

Ombudsman	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 7:59 PM
Lorrum Joined: Apr 19, 2003 Location: Houyhnhnm Land Posts: 667	I should have known, in small part from the evidence laid before me in earlier threads, but in greatest part from my own convictions, that the ignominy perpetrated by the participants in Spelunk 04!, of which we have all heard dim and chilling mutters in the weeks since the incident, were the all-too-predictable fruit of drug abuse. Much as I respect jenni_fur's perspicacity with regard to the majority of human matters, I cannot but feel that I glimpse here one of her mind's few weak points exposed with uncommon clarity. For I cannot imagine, without doing injustice to one or another of my most dearly held preconceptions, that a splurge of modernist, post-beauty, post-virtue onanism such as that sad monument to Leonard Salby's late-life decline, "The Northern Caves," could induce in any perceptive reader (and, though I have crossed swords with each on multiple occasions, I count jenni_fur and GlassWave among the most perceptive of readers) a state other than boredom mildly tinged with nausea. Furthermore, it seems telling, if not surprising, that the majority of the discourse in this thread thus far has focused on the degenerate behavior of GlassWave, and has thus ignored the very real lives of which that degeneracy has too soon robbed our green earth. What passed through their minds as they made their fatal climb? The report offers no answers, and I would ask that this imbalance be redressed, were I not swiftly losing faith in whatever moral fiber Cafe Chesscourt might once, in sunnier days, have called its own. Verily, the sprightly spirit of Tom and Sally is with us no longer. _________________ A Humble Ombudsman's Musings

Errant KnightsMove	Posted: Aug 19, 2004 8:34 PM
Moderator Joined: Feb 11, 2000 Location: The Inside Of My Head, U.S. Posts: 3409	Since I'm sure people are wondering, after reading Paul's report, and noticing that I haven't been posting here in the last few weeks: I am okay. I'm still shaken by what happened, and although I haven't experienced anything like the feelings I felt around the time I went to Jim's, I am erring (pun intended) on the side of caution and isolating myself from human contact until I feel I have a clearer understanding of things. Paul (GlassWave) and I have not spoken since Spelunk 04! His descriptions of our interactions are reasonably accurate as far as my memory goes, but I feel no compulsion to join him in his "Salbian" endeavors, and given what I appear to be capable of, I think I should dissociate myself from him entirely for the near future. If it makes anyone feel better, I still feel very, very guilty. In fact, my day-to-day life at the moment is dominated by guilt. I may describe this in more detail sometime later, but for now, a brief post like this is the most human interaction I feel like I can risk. _________________ Cafe Chesscourt Official Guy With Too Much Time On His Hands "The four stages of reading an Err post: 1. Wonder if he's joking. 2. Start thinking about his argument. 3. Keep trying to find holes in his argument until the next thing you know, it's 6 AM the next morning, and you still can't prove him wrong. 4. Conclude that the Courtverse is even weirder than you had previously thought." -GlassWave Major Theory Threads: Plainsverse!Charles \| Infinite Skycrashes \| Lorrums As Human Ancestor \| Continuity Glitches And Their Resolutions \| Multi-Manor Hypothesis \| Tracing The Upstairs White Bishop To ATT (And Beyond) \| Seeking Continuity in TNC (DGITC Warning!)